Ερώτηση για αγορά μπάσου

[Fan]

Ασχολείτε κανένας με μουσικά όργανα?

Θέλω να αγοράσω ένα μπάσο αλλά δεν ξέρω τι να διαλέξω ανάμεσα σε ένα χειροποίειτο και ένα YAMAHA η τιμή και για τα δυο είναι 180 ευρώ.

Εάν κάποιος ασχολείτε ας μου προτείνει κάτι.

[hugelacky]

File mou makria apo Yamaha! Oso kala einai ta synthia ths allo toso a8lia einai ta hlektrika egxorda ths! To custom pou les ti "foraei" panw? Gia magnhtes kyriws ennow! Ephshs h timh twn 180 euro einai poly perioristikh 8a elega...Kai gia kainourio alla kai gia custom (syggekrimena ola ta custom pou exw dei/paiksei kai aksizane kanane trela lefta, panw apo 1500 euro!). Kalytera 8a htan na perimeneis ligo, na mazepseis liga lefta parapanw kai otan ta diplasiaseis peripou 8a exeis arketes epiloges! Egw mazeya money gia miso xrono prin xtyphsw to diko mou. Telika katelhksa se ena blue Ibanez BTB 405! :grin:

 

Genika eksartatai kai apo to ti styl mousikhs 8es na paizeis, px an 8es klasikometale h hard rock pragmata h fender se kalyptei. Ena Precision h ena Jazz bass 8a bgaloun ton hxo pou 8es! An pali pas gia kati pio tsitwmeno kai bassato dokimase Ibanez, poly kala!

 

Epishs ka8e bass exei tis dikes tou idiaiterothtes. Gia paradeigma h seira SR ths Ibanez exei poly mikrh apostash metaksy twn xordwn (ara kai steno laimo) gia pio grhgoro, aneto kai texniko paiksimo. Ayto einai kati pou boleyei polloys alla egw otan ta dokimasa den me bolepse ka8olou giati kyriws paizw me daxtyla kai enniw8a les kai paizw me daxtyla se ki8ara. Mou fainontan para poly konta oi xordes!

Ta Jazz bass ths Fender einai ta pio armonika stis metaksy twn xordwn apostaseis (me kanoniko laimo) kai exoun 2 monous magnhtes me apotelesma ena pio prima hxo me perissoteres armonikes. Ta Precision ths Fender pali exoun megalyterh apostash ston kabalarh pou einai sto kefali, exoun pio paxy laimo, kai exoun ena diplo magnhth komeno sta 2 gia pio bassato hxo alla kai ligo pio mounto! Ephshs 8es 4xordo h 5xordo??? Basikh erwthsh! Egw px pou logw akousmatwn phga katey8eian gia 5xordo strafhka me thn mia se Ibanez giati h etairia ayth exei paradosh kai peira ston tomea ayto. Kserei px pws na ftiaxnei hlectronika kai magnhtes pou na anadeiknyoyn kai thn epipleon pio mpassa xordh, laimo pou na mhn einai poly xontros kai kourazei sto paiksimo.

 

Epishs shmantiko stoixeio ston hxo einai kai oi magnhtes. Oi energoi (active) bgazoun pio dynato hxo kai parametropoiountai pio eykola alla oi pa8htikoi (passive) tis perissoteres fores (yparxoun polles eksaireseis) bgazoun pio ka8aro.

 

Opws katalabes einai poloi paragontes pou paizoun rolo sthn epilogh sou. To kalytero pou mporeis na kaneis einai na pas se ena magazi kai na zhthseis na paikseis me ka8e bass kana misawro wste na pareis mia idea gia to ti paizei me ka8e organo, na breis ti se boleyei sto paiksimo kai ti hxos sou aresei perissotero. Eplizw na boh8hsa kai na mhn se mperdepsa

[wizzy]

Mia mikri enstasi/erwtisi: An ta bass tis Yamaha einai toso xalia, tote giati o Patitucci paizei me Yamaha ? (nai, kserw oti i Yamaha einai xorigos tou, alla auto den pauei na mporei na allaksei amesa kai den nomizw oti bassistas tou diametrimatos tou Patitucci tha simbibazotan me kati ligotero apo to teleio...)

[Akujin]

hugelacky poly katatopistikos o syntomos ''odigos'' agoras sou.

exw edw kai kati mines bass, ksekinisa apto miden.(pira ena ftino samick)

tha exw merika pragmata ypopsin otan paw gia ena pio kalo bassaki

meta to kalokairi isws... thanx

[Fan]

File mou makria apo Yamaha! Oso kala einai ta synthia ths allo toso a8lia einai ta hlektrika egxorda ths! To custom pou les ti "foraei" panw? Gia magnhtes kyriws ennow! Ephshs h timh twn 180 euro einai poly perioristikh 8a elega...Kai gia kainourio alla kai gia custom (syggekrimena ola ta custom pou exw dei/paiksei kai aksizane kanane trela lefta' date=' panw apo 1500 euro!). Kalytera 8a htan na perimeneis ligo, na mazepseis liga lefta parapanw kai otan ta diplasiaseis peripou 8a exeis arketes epiloges! Egw mazeya money gia miso xrono prin xtyphsw to diko mou. Telika katelhksa se ena blue Ibanez BTB 405! :grin:

 

Genika eksartatai kai apo to ti styl mousikhs 8es na paizeis, px an 8es klasikometale h hard rock pragmata h fender se kalyptei. Ena Precision h ena Jazz bass 8a bgaloun ton hxo pou 8es! An pali pas gia kati pio tsitwmeno kai bassato dokimase Ibanez, poly kala!

 

Epishs ka8e bass exei tis dikes tou idiaiterothtes. Gia paradeigma h seira SR ths Ibanez exei poly mikrh apostash metaksy twn xordwn (ara kai steno laimo) gia pio grhgoro, aneto kai texniko paiksimo. Ayto einai kati pou boleyei polloys alla egw otan ta dokimasa den me bolepse ka8olou giati kyriws paizw me daxtyla kai enniw8a les kai paizw me daxtyla se ki8ara. Mou fainontan para poly konta oi xordes!

Ta Jazz bass ths Fender einai ta pio armonika stis metaksy twn xordwn apostaseis (me kanoniko laimo) kai exoun 2 monous magnhtes me apotelesma ena pio prima hxo me perissoteres armonikes. Ta Precision ths Fender pali exoun megalyterh apostash ston kabalarh pou einai sto kefali, exoun pio paxy laimo, kai exoun ena diplo magnhth komeno sta 2 gia pio bassato hxo alla kai ligo pio mounto! Ephshs 8es 4xordo h 5xordo??? Basikh erwthsh! Egw px pou logw akousmatwn phga katey8eian gia 5xordo strafhka me thn mia se Ibanez giati h etairia ayth exei paradosh kai peira ston tomea ayto. Kserei px pws na ftiaxnei hlectronika kai magnhtes pou na anadeiknyoyn kai thn epipleon pio mpassa xordh, laimo pou na mhn einai poly xontros kai kourazei sto paiksimo.

 

Epishs shmantiko stoixeio ston hxo einai kai oi magnhtes. Oi energoi (active) bgazoun pio dynato hxo kai parametropoiountai pio eykola alla oi pa8htikoi (passive) tis perissoteres fores (yparxoun polles eksaireseis) bgazoun pio ka8aro.

 

Opws katalabes einai poloi paragontes pou paizoun rolo sthn epilogh sou. To kalytero pou mporeis na kaneis einai na pas se ena magazi kai na zhthseis na paikseis me ka8e bass kana misawro wste na pareis mia idea gia to ti paizei me ka8e organo, na breis ti se boleyei sto paiksimo kai ti hxos sou aresei perissotero. Eplizw na boh8hsa kai na mhn se mperdepsa [/quote']

 

To thema einai oti ego tora xekinao na matho basso kai den xero katholou na paizo. Auto pou me endiaferei einai ena ftino gia na xekiniso kai meta perno kati pio kalo. Elega na pao tetraxordo gia arxi gia na matho pio eukola. Gia ti eidos mousikis einai ta pentaxorda? Ego thelo na paizo kirios metal tragoudia.

 

Oso gia enisxiti pou rotisa gia arxi mou eipan na paro enan 15ari giro sta 100 euro. Mporo na sindeso to basso sto home theater sto spiti?

 

Pantos kai kata tin dikia sou gnomi ta custom bassa einai kalitera apo ta ergostasiaka etsi den einai?

[Akujin]

ki egw tha se apomakrynw apta yamaha an kai den exw akomi poly peira

gia na milaw. tha sou proteina na min xalaseis sigoura panw apo 200euros gia prwto basso. (ektos an eisai pio matso)

15ari nai kali epilogi einai oi Laney gia metal ixo.(ki egw tetoion exw)

 

markes twra kalytera na sou poune oi pio eidikoi sta bassa

 

me to kalo+kala gratzounismata...

[hugelacky]

@ wizzy: swsth h aporia sou alla

 

1) opws eipes ki esy einai 8ema "xorhgias" kai ta lefta pou tou skaei h Yamaha gia na diafhmizetai den 8a einai kai liga, h etairia einai kolosos,

 

2) Sigoura o Patitucci den 8a paizei me ena Yamaha twn 150, 300 h 500 euro...Sigoura 8a einai panakribo, arketa xilliarika euro, opote den 8a exei a8lio hxo,

 

3) Ta Signature modela tis perissoteres fores diaferoun para poly apo ta "koina" organa ths etairias, px exoun allous magnhtes epigolhs tou mousikou, diforetiko laimo-tasta, alla hlektronika, akoma kai diaforetika ksyla polles fores.... me liga logia einai kata 90% custom organa kai apla h etairia bazei thn stampa ths panw sto mpasso wste na apla na diafhmizetai.

 

@ Fan: Afou opws les ki esy eisai sthn arxh 8a sou proteina na pas gia ena 4xordo. Eksallou ta 5xorda arxizoun apo ta 2plasia-3plasia lefta opote akuro. Ta 5xorda exoun mia xordh epipleon pio mpasa. Kata bash xrhshmopoih8hkan kai diado8hkan se megalo ba8mo apo to Nu-Metal xwris ayto na shmainei oti den hphrxan prin. Apla diado8hkan poly pleon. Epishs ektos apo to nu-metal xrishmopoioyntai poly kai sto death alla kai se progressive metal se mousikes dhl pou eite xreiazesai polu xamhles syxnothtes h 8es na paikseis pio texnika.

 

Koita ta Squire. Einai 8ygatrikh ths Fender me apotelesma na exei arketa f8hna organa (ta Fender arxizoun apo 350-400 xiliarika!). An epimeneis sto poso twn 180 euro tote lypamai alla den 8a exei kai kana fovero hxo. 8a einai apo kakos ews metrios. An exeis apofashsei oti 8es na ma8eis 8a sou proteina na mazepseis ki alla lefta kai na pareis kati kalytero. Oxi aparaithta ths takshs tou misou ekatomyriou pou phre enas filos mou alla me 200 xiliarika px 8a pareis kati kalo!

 

Ta custom synh8ws einai kalytera apo ta "emporika". Alla ayto isxyei mono gia custom apo miso ekatomyrio kai panw. Twra custom me 180 euro.... :? kanei mpam oti den einai kati ths prokophs!

 

Gia enysxhth twra 8a sou proteina na ksekinhseis to ligotero me 30Watt. Me kamia dynamh ligotera. Kai ayto giati o hxos ston enyshth mpassou eksartatai kyriws apo ta Watt kai thn diametro tou hxeiou. To bass den einai san thn ki8ara pou bazeis kai ena distortion kai gratzounas kai me 10 Watt enysxhth... Sto mpaso 8es oggo, poly oggo, kai aytos o oggos erxetai mono me ta watt. To swma tou hxoy einai oi xamhles syxnothtes tis opoies o an8ropos perissotero tis "niw8ei" para tis akouei. Oi xamhles den exoun katey8hntikothta se anti8esh me tis mesaies-pshles. Gi ayto lew oti den tis akous apo pou erxontai, tis niw8eis sto xoro! Exeis bre8ei se club, den mporeis na peis apo pou erxetai to mpaso, to niw8eis pantou, se anti8esh me tis pshles. An pareis px 15watt kat arxhn 8a sou akougetai poly adynamos kai o hxos 8a akougetai glan-glan ekneyristika prima dhladh. 8a einai san na paizeis stis panw xordes ki8aras xwris paramorfwsh. Den 8a sou proteina Laney gia enysxhth (sorry Akujin!), eixa ena Laney 30Watt kai htan entelws psofios kai exei polles mesaies! Mia apo tis kalyteres protaseis (value for money) einai oi Behringer. F8hnoi, bassatoi kai dynatoi! Egw px phra prin kana xrono enan 60Watt me 180 euro!

 

Telos mhn kaneis kanena asteio kai baleis to bass sto home theater...8a kapseis ta tweeter me thn mia! Sou milaw apo proswpikh peira! Ta ekana ki egw palia ayta pou den hksera alla eytyxws se aplo stereofwniko. :grin:

 

Me liga logia mia protash apo mena einai: Koita gia Squire Jazz Bass kai ena 30arh Behringer enysxhth gia arxh.

[Fan]

Telika agorasa ena bass tis Axline.

Mou to proteine o daskalos mou gia ftino kai kalo gia arxi. Mou eipe oti einai koreatiko kai einai figatriki tis Fender i kati tetoio.

To pira 180 europoula.

To thema einai oti epsaksa sto internet alla den mporesa na vro tipota sxetiko gia basso Axline.

Poia i kiria diafora anamesa se Jazz Bass kai electric Bass?

 

Oson afora gia agora enisxiti ti proteineis giro sta 100 me 120 euro?

[hugelacky]

Periergo.. oute ki egw briskw kati sto google...

 

Anyway, kaloriziko, kalopaixto kai kala ksysimata! :wink:

 

Poia i kiria diafora anamesa se Jazz Bass kai electric Bass?

Ti ennoeis? Kai to Jazz Bass ths fender hlectriko einai, apla etsi einai to onoma tou! Des edw: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?section=basses&cat=jazzbass

 

Oson afora gia agora enisxiti ti proteineis giro sta 100 me 120 euro?

Koita gia Behringer 30Watt, issorophmenoi ston hxo tous, f8hnoi kai dynatoi gia ta Watt tous!

[Fan]

O daskalos mou proteine enan enisxiti tis Crate 35 Watt me 140 euro.

Ti gnomi exeis?

[hugelacky]

Na sou pw thn alh8eia den exw paiksei pote me Crate alla sympa8htikoi mou fainontai gia ayth thn kathgoria timhs. Kai an einai ontws 35 Watt Rms, an "ta bgazei" ennow tote kalh fash! Poly kalh einai kai h timh gia Crate! Pou ton brhkes toso f8hna? 8ymasai poio akribws montelo sou eipe? Se rwtaw giati toso kai ligo perissotero (~190 E) kanei o 15arhs...

[Fan]

Apo tin antiprosopia tis Crate stin Napoli.

Epeidi eimai apo ligo eos para poli asxetos apo mousika organa den thimamai modelo kai xaraktiristika pantos itan 35 W.

Tha rotiso ton daskalo mou kai tha sou po akrivos to modelo aurio methaurio.

[vagpap]

Crate θεωρούνται από τους κορυφαίους ενισχυτές μπάσου... Πάντως και ο αδερφός μου που έχει Behringer είναι πολύ ευχαριστημένος από την απόδοσή του. Value for money.

Βεβαίως έχει κατηγορηθεί ότι η Behringer γενικά αντιγράφει υπολοιήσεις από άλλες εταιρίες, όχι μόνο στους ενισχυτές αλλά και αλλού, αλλά αν το κάνει καλά πιο το πρόβλημα? ;-)

[Fan]

Τελικά ο Crate δεν ήταν 30 αλλά 15 watt.

Αφού έπαιξα με σχεδόν όλες τις μάρκες που υπήρχαν στο μαγαζί΄Behringer, Crate, Laney κτλ κατέλειξα και αγόρασα τον

Peavey Microbass 20 Watt Bass Amp με 95 ευρώ.

Πραγματικά βγάζει πολύ κορυφαίο ήχο και κόστιζε 35 - 50 ευρώ λιγότερο από τους άλλους!!!

Δεν ξέρω όμως αν είναι γνωστή σαν μάρκα. Ελπίζω να μην το μετανιώσω.

Α, έχει και πεντε χρόνια εγγύηση.

 

Μήπως ξέρεις κανένα καλό site για tabs για μπάσο?

Με ελληνικά και ξένα τραγούδια.

Επίσης κάποιο καλό site για εκμάθηση μπάσου για begginers?

[hugelacky]

E, nai kata bash den akougotan kai poly logiko 30 Watt ~ 140 Euro!!! Gi ayto se rwthsa kiolas an einai sigoura 30/35 watt :wink:

Oso gia ton Peavey, to shzhtas??? Apo Behringer, Crate, Laney einai h kalyterh marka! Kai san etairia h Peavey einai poly gnwsth kai 8ewreitai gia thn mikromesaia-mesaia kathgoria timhs (100-500-1000 Euro), kai gia metal hxo, apo tis koryfaies. Einai kyriws gnwsth gia tous enysxhtes ki8aras pou einai arketa poiotikoi kai dynatoi enw exoun kai bary distortion(=kanoun kai gia metal). Kai afou einai kalh stous enysxhtes ki8aras giati na mhn einai kai stou mpassou? :wink:

Kalorizhkos!

 

Gia tabs phgene edw

http://www.power-tab.net/downloads.php h edw

http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Windows/powertab.html

kai katebase to Power Tab Editor. Einai Freeware! Einai ena programataki pou "paizei" tablatures se midi. Einai poly kalo! Etsi (analogws me to posa organa exei balei aytos pou eftiakse thn tab) mporeis na akous ki8ara kai mpaso h akoma kai drums h plhktra orismenes fores! Kai ennoeitai oti, otidhpote akous to blepeis kai sthn o8onh real time na kokkinizei ka8e sygxordia h nota pou akous! To sxetika arnhtiko einai oti einai kyriws gia ki8ara. Etsi ena 60-70% exei kai mpasso enw to ypolypo 30-40% einai mono ki8ara. Alla gia to mpaso panw katw tetoia einai h analogia!

 

Songs se Power Tabs Mporeis na katebazeis apo edw : http://www.powertabs.net/ Exei apeira!!! Exei kai ma8hmata! Gia allo software des kai edw:http://www.powertabs.com/software.shtml

 

Epishs gia alles kanonikes tabs des ki edw:

http://www.mxtabs.net/basstabs.php

http://www.basstabarchive.com/

 

Psakse kai sto Google gia "free bass tabs" kai 8a breis polla pragmata. Telos gia ma8hmata gia arxarious den exw kati yp opshn mou alla re sy den phgeneis se daskalo outws h allws? Prwswpika gia mena to kalytero ma8hma htan oi wres pou ka8omoun kai eliwna akougontas ta agaphmena mou songs prospa8ontas na ta bgalw sto mpaso! So... ypomonh & use your ear!!! :wink: :-P :grin: