pascal

[sap]

poion compiler protinete?yparxei kana site me tutorials?me books?pou mporw na brw help, generally?(eimai *newbie*)<P>

[sh4dow]

thes pascal i object pascal? i object pascal einai neoteri tis pascal.<P>gia pascal xrisimopoieise turbo pascal 7 (teleutaia ekdosi) apo borland (exei stamatisei na poula kai na dinei texnikes apantiseis gia ton parapano compiler).<P>gia object pascal i delphi tis borland sou kanei.<BR> <A HREF="http://www.borland.com" TARGET=_blank>www.borland.com</A> <P>iparxoun kai freeware compilers opos o <A HREF="http://www.freepascal.org" TARGET=_blank>www.freepascal.org</A> <P>iparxei o GNU Pascal ktl<P>alla den tha breis tipota kainourio se pascal. mono gia object pascal.<P>gia ti akribos to thes? sxoleio?<P>dialexe ti thes na se katatopisoume perissotero.

[sh4dow]

anagkastika turbo pascal <A HREF="http://www.everu.com/tp/index.php3" TARGET=_blank>http://www.everu.com/tp/index.php3</A> <A HREF="http://perso.wanadoo.es/toniu/download.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://perso.wanadoo.es/toniu/download.htm</A> <A HREF="http://home.jtan.com/~jim/junk/comp/" TARGET=_blank>http://home.jtan.com/~jim/junk/comp/</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.gdsoft.com/swag/swag.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.gdsoft.com/swag/swag.html</A> (katebazeis ton viewer kai ta snipets kai eisai ok)<P>omos, panta iparxei omos (myti autia ktl), thes kai ena programmataki pou patcharei ta compiled programmata gia na trexoun se grigorous epexergastes.... des <A HREF="http://www.homeplansoftware.com/cpubug.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.homeplansoftware.com/cpubug.htm</A> kai kai <A HREF="http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/pas-r200.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/pas-r200.htm</A> <P>dokimase na katebaseis kapoio fix gia to parapano problima opos to patchpas ktl <A HREF="http://www.multimania.com/skymarshall/outils.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.multimania.com/skymarshall/outils.htm</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/pascalpr.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/pascalpr.htm</A> <A HREF="http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/" TARGET=_blank>http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/</A> pros ta kato, ktypaei. <A HREF="http://www.d-tnt.co.uk" TARGET=_blank>www.d-tnt.co.uk</A> (otan xananixei exei forum gia na kaneis tis erotiseis - an kai gia delphi isos breis lisi).<P>ps: oti katebaseis kalo na to scanareis gia virus...<BR>gia na xeperaseis kapoies leitourgies tou compiler anagkastika prepei na grapseis kodika se assebly i libraries se alli glossa.

[Dvs]

kai emeis pascal kanoume! tora giti tin kanoume den exo katalavei! (as kaname toulaxiston deplhi!).<BR>[4 ores mathima (2 ergastitio+ 2 theoria) kai akoma den exoume kanei to iF! lol! ]<P>kamia kali askisoule se pascal iparxei?

[sap]

gia university<BR>

[sh4dow]

mou fenete alla den eimai sigouros oti tin epoxi pou douleuan dos (stin arxi), ipirxan treis "glosses" gia na dialexei kapoios.<P>tin basic : poly argi alla eftiaxnes grigora programmata (programs fast kai oxi to antitheto <BR>tin assembly : polyploki (alla oti eftiaxnes malama)<BR>kai tin pascal : poly apli alla grigori ktl ktl ktl<P>anagkastika tote mallon sta panepistimia ekanan pascal gia tous parapano logous, ti allo na poume. (+i basic den prepei na itan free).<P>ps: delphi einai to programma, kalytera na les object pascal (einai kai pio leet mporeis na peis... bebaia den se katakrinei kapoios ean peis delphi alla gia to paizeis ligo pio exypnos stous mi katexontes <BR>iF? pios sas emathe na to grafete etsi? <BR>auto pou prepei na sas mathenoun prota einai ta die8nh standarts typopoiisis gia tin egrafi metablitwn ktl. (prepei na exo kapoio pdf gia auta - panta gia object pascal)<P>ftiaxno ena ide gia na synergazete me masm assembler (kai linker se object pascal. ean thes na synergastoume, einai sigouro oti tha apokomiseis polla ofeli opos ego, giati to enlogo project periexei apo string routines mexri winAPI kai binary manipulation.<BR>ean meneis athina (i kalytera konta se peristeri) steile mou pm gia peretero pl.

[sh4dow]

fysika kai mporei na trexei se windows (win9x sigoura, tora gia xp, me, kai 2k paizete... giati den tha mporeis na kaneis etiseis gia hardware, tha tis aporiptei to leitourgiko me apotelesma na krasarei to mixanima.).<P>o debugger paizei rolo gia ti leitourgiko to thes. mporei oi kalyteroi na douleuoun se win98 alla auto kanei to systima astathes.<P>w32dasm exeis xreisimopoieisei? exei ensomatomeno debugger kai disassembler, kai ean xekinas tora tha sou fanei eukolo.<P>alla den tha mporeis na ftiaxneis 32bit programmata (gui ktl). tote pas anagkastika se object pascal. ektos kai xreisimopoieiseis kanenan allo compiler.<P>einai mperdema to xero, alla ean den mpeis sto louki...

[sap]

sh4dow>> epeidi ola ayta mou fenontai kinezika(min ksexnas pos eimai *newbie*) exo merikes erotiseis na kano:<BR>1)w32dasm=?<BR>2)debugger=?<BR>3)disassembler=? , assembly=?<BR>4)ego exo katebasei apo edo-> <A HREF="http://pascal.sleepwalkers.org/borland.shtml" TARGET=_blank>http://pascal.sleepwalkers.org/borland.shtml</A> tin turbo pascal 7.01.kai o compiler alla kai ta progs pou ftiaxno trexoun se dos.ginetai (+o compiler+ta progs) na trexoun se win9X?(prosopika exo win98)<BR>5)parolo pou exo pII@350(nomizo pos einai grigoros epeksergastis) de mou bgazei kanena runtime error.to patch loipon einai aparetito?<BR>6)se pascal yparxoun kai alloi compilers?enas apo aytous einai kai i object pascal(Delphi)?se ti diaferoun oi compilers?yparxei diafora sti sintaksi tou kodika metaksi ton compilers tis pascal?<BR>7)<I>sh4dow wrote: "anagkastika turbo pascal <A HREF="http://www.everu.com/tp/index.php3" TARGET=_blank>http://www.everu.com/tp/index.php3</A> <A HREF="http://perso.wanadoo.es/toniu/download.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://perso.wanadoo.es/toniu/download.htm</A> <A HREF="http://home.jtan.com/~jim/junk/comp/" TARGET=_blank>http://home.jtan.com/~jim/junk/comp/</A> <A HREF="http://www.gdsoft.com/swag/swag.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.gdsoft.com/swag/swag.html</A> (katebazeis ton <B>viewer</B> kai ta <B>snipets</B> kai eisai ok)"</I><BR>viewer=?<BR>snipets=?<BR>einai aparetita gia mena?<BR>8)<I>sh4dow wrote:"gia na xeperaseis kapoies leitourgies tou compiler anagkastika prepei na grapseis kodika se assebly i libraries se alli glossa"</I><BR>ti ennoeis?<BR>9)<I>sh4adow wrote:"w32dasm exeis xreisimopoieisei? exei ensomatomeno debugger kai disassembler, kai ean xekinas tora tha sou fanei eukolo.<P>alla den tha mporeis na ftiaxneis 32bit programmata (gui ktl). tote pas anagkastika se object pascal<BR>"</I><BR>ti ennoeis?an xrisimopoio w32dasm de 8a mporo na grafo win32 progs?mono apo object pascal(delphi) grafeis programata pou trexoun se win?<BR>ayta!<BR>(zito afesi amartion apo tous pascal-GURUs gia ta 'margaritaria' pou egrapsa )<BR>*** ypen8imizo oti trexo Turbo Pascal 7.01

[sh4dow]

1. to w32dasm einai programma, to opoio analyei ena allo etimo programma kai sto bgazei se glossa mixanis.<BR>2. debugger einai to programma me to opoio blepeis tin roi tou programmatos tin ora pou trexei se glossa mixanis. etsi mporeis na entopiseis tixon lathi sto programma, na deis ti "kanei" na tou allaxeis tin roi kai ta dedomena pou epexergazete.<BR>3. disassembler einai to w32dasm, to ida, ktl. sou bgazoun to programma se glossa mixanis kathos kai ean einai ligo polyplokos o disassembler mporei na sou dosei kai alles polles plirofories, opos ti functions (synartiseis) kalei meso api, mporei na sou morfopoieisei tin glossa mixanis se simeio na ginete hll (high level language - c/c++,pascal,basic,ktl).<BR>assembly einai i anaparastasi tis glossas mixanis (pio sygkekrimena tis cpu) se morfi katanoisimi se emas tous anthroupous. px: i entoli jne (jump if not equal) pou xreisimopoiei i assembly parista ton arithmo 75 se glossa mixanis kok.<BR>4. mporeis na breis kapoio ide pou tha se boithisei na douleueis pio grigora. (gia na katanoiseis kalytera to ti einai ide den exeis para na koitaxeis tin delphi kai tin visual c++, to frontpage ktl, pou ta kaneis sxedon ola me tin xrisi grafikou periballontos ktl.<BR>5. iparxei i periptosi ta programmata pou ftiaxneis na exoun problimata me eite ston diko sou i allous ipologistes.<BR>6. isos na se mperdeusa ligo, pali apo tin arxi. iparxei i pascal kai i object pascal, kai oi dio einai glosses programmatismou (hll). i deuteri einai i neoteri kai apogonos tis protis. iparxoun gia autes tis glosses compilers, programmata pou metafrazoun ton pigaio kodika grammeno se autes se morfi katanoisimi apo to ekastote leitourgiko kai epexergasti. stin syntaxi den exoun megales diafores, alla kyriws exoun stous typous metabliton, afou i proti xreisimopoiei 16bit kai i deuteri kai ta dyo kathos kai stis dynatotites pou exei i deuteri.<BR>7. snipets einai komatia pigaiou kodika se kapoia glossa programmatismou, auta mporei na einai synartiseis, ktl.<BR>o viewer einai to programma me to opoio tha anoixeis ta arxeia pou periexoun ta snipets gia na ta deis (kati san winzip). aparetita 99% mporei na sou ginoun giati exei polla kai diafora, apo diaxeirisi arxeio, vga graphics, encryption, hardware manipulation ka.<BR>8. px otan thes mia synartisei na tin beltistopoieiseis, kai den mporeis na to kaneis auto logo twn dinatotitwn tis glossas pou programmatizeis tha prepei na grapseis to komati autou tou kodika se assembly (pou apo tin fysi tis einai pio grigori kai mi garbage collector [diladi oti tha grapseis se assembly tha meinei opos einai, eno se kapoio hll tha prostethei kodikas pou den xreiazete ktl ktl). libraries einai ligo poly ta gnosta dll (kai oxi mono), grafeis px ena dll se assembly kai to syndeeis me to programma sou.<BR>9. 32bit programmata den tha mporeseis na grapseis se pascal logo oti den einai sxediasmeni gia autin tin xrisi (mporeis ean eisai ligo magos alla me poly kopo). anti autou xreisimopoieis object pascal pou einai sxediasmeni gia 32bit programmata, gui (grafiko periballon) ktl. ta programmata pou tha ftiaxneis se pascal tha trexoun se windows, aplos den tha exoun parathyra koumpia ktl tha einai se dos, eno me tin object pascal mporeis na ftiaxeis programmata me ta parapano. to mono kako einai oti sta win2k ktl den mporeis na xreisimopoieiseis hardware apo to programma pou tha ftiaxeis giati to apagoreuei o pyrinas twn syxronwn windows.<P>ps: gia ide tha koitaxo na sou po url gia na to katebaseis.

[sh4dow]

oups gia na diorthoso. mporeis na ftiaxeis gui (stil win3.1 alla den sto synisto).

[sap]

mporei i turbo pascal na trexei se win?exei sxesi o debugger pou xrisimopoieis?(mporei na leo kai m@|_@k|@)

[Dvs]

sh4dow :<P>-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-<BR>iF? pios sas emathe na to grafete etsi? <BR>auto pou prepei na sas mathenoun prota einai ta die8nh standarts typopoiisis gia tin egrafi metablitwn ktl. (prepei na exo kapoio pdf gia auta - panta gia object pascal) <BR>-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-<BR>to xero oti den grafetai etsi! (kai etsi an to egrafes to allazei i glossa!)<BR>ostoso, auto to pdf to vrikes?<P><BR>-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-<BR>.....kai ean einai ligo polyplokos o disassembler mporei na sou dosei kai alles polles plirofories, opos ti functions (synartiseis) kalei meso api, mporei na sou morfopoieisei tin glossa mixanis se simeio na ginete hll (high level language - c/c++,pascal,basic,ktl).<BR>-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-<P>pios disassembler einai autos?

[sh4dow]

to pdf to brika ean to thes (2.7mb zipped)<P>o ida sou ftiaxnei ton kodika "san" hll meso flirt (an pas stin selida tou tha deis peretero pl). gia ti api thelei mou fenete plugin.<BR> <A HREF="http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/ida.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/ida.htm</A>

[Dvs]

to thelo to pdf - mporeis an to anevaseis pouthena?<BR>[ ama thes eso : <A HREF="http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/view/freeprogs" TARGET=_blank>http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/view/freeprogs</A> <BR>kopsto me 3 zipakia ton 800-900 k]<BR>thx<P>-=-=-Asxeto: [auto den einai ligo koulo?] <A HREF="http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/idatraining.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/idatraining.htm</A>

[sh4dow]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dvs:<BR><STRONG>to thelo to pdf - mporeis an to anevaseis pouthena?<BR>[ ama thes eso : <A HREF="http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/view/freeprogs" TARGET=_blank>http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/view/freeprogs</A> <BR>kopsto me 3 zipakia ton 800-900 k]<BR>thx<P>-=-=-Asxeto: [auto den einai ligo koulo?] <A HREF="http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/idatraining.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/idatraining.htm</A></STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>katholou koulo tha elega, i gnosi plironete <BR>pos tha to kano upload?