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[billdanos]

Den mporw na katalavw giati na mas peirazei to grafiko perivalon sto linux! Me auto to skeptikpo tha eprepe na valoume unix gia na krathsoume thn palia "mageia". Apo th stigmh pou yparhoun pleon lyseis gia na doulepei akomh kai enas arharios me to linux, giati na mhn to dokimasei? Emeis sthn doulia ehoume ton enan server pou trehei me linux kai syghronos kanei kai firewall +mail antivirus kai dou levei se plhres grafiko perivalon hwris kanena problem. Thelw na pw dhladh oti ta pragmata den einai kai toso tragika pleon! Safws kai meta thn prwth default egatastash pou tha kanei kapoios kainourgios, tha ehei dekades efarmoges pou tha trehoun se kathe ekkinhsh, alla autos einai o skopos: na arhisei na psahnei gia to ti einai to kathena kai ti akrivws kanei kai siga siga na to ferei sta metra tou. Opote opoios ehei orexh vour ston ...patsa!<BR>

[GothicCrusader]

Koita, olo to thema einai "na kaneis tin douleia sou" kai fisika na xereis ti einai h douleia pou thes na kaneis.<BR>An exeis enan server pou kanei taftoxrona kai firewall kai mail kai sou doulevei kai se grafiko periballon (basika tote o server den kanei kai tipota to spoudaio, alla en pasei periptwsei) afto to kanoun akoma kai ta win95 me to katallilo software. Etsi den einai? Oi apaitiseis aftes orizoun apo tin arxi na min baleis kan linux - an fisika eisai arxarios. Kai tha mou peis giati..Fantasou oti prokiptei ena problima ston server sou, enas arxarios mborei na einai se thesi na diorthwsei to problima se win9x. Omws proswpika den xerw kanena arxario pou na mborei na diorthwsei ena problima se linux xrisimopoiontas malista kai gui.. Epomenws gia *kathimerini oikiaki xrisi* opws perneis tostiera kai oxi klivano gia na psiseis ta tost sou, bazeis windows kai oxi linux gia na kaneis tin douleia sou. Den mou aresei afto, alla afti einai h kathimerini alitheia.<BR>To problima fisika den einai to "grafiko periballon". To pragmatiko problima einai h afthairesia twn programmatistwn. H logiki tou linux einai "ftino unix" me exisou "apolyto elegxo". Apo tin stigmi pou tha mbeis se grafiko periballon xaneis ton elegxo, ara nai men exeis "ftino unix" alla pia me "metrio elegxo". Apo tin stigmi twra pou tha pareis original tin dianomi tis suse, pleon den exeis oute "ftino unix" oute "metrio elegxo". Diladi exeis pleon apoprosanatolistei apo ton arxiko skopo, oi diafores etairies sou pernoun pali ta lefta apo tin tsepi kai to xeirotero: ola afta ginontai sto onoma tou "mi kerdoskopikou xaraktira"... tragiko.<BR>Giati epeita na baleis to linux se gui afou to mono pou tha exeis parapanw einai: Poly diskola upgrades, poly diskoli ypostirixi (epidi einai linux) kai episis elaxisto elegxo kai pio megala boot times (epidi einai gui!!!)?<P>Bazoume linux loipon sinithws giati:<BR>a) exei apistefta dynata shells me apistefta isxires scripting dynatotites.<BR> exei pragmatika elaxistes ma elaxistes apaitiseis ston epexergasti kai sto megethos ston skliro disko (sygkritika panta me ta ms-win).<BR>c) exei tin dinatotita na kanei me apistefta liga programmata se arithmo (sygkritika panta me win), apeira pragmata. Apo ekei kai pera: ligotera programmata ston server, ligoteres pithanotites na yparxoun trypes gia pontikia pou trwne tyri apo psigeia pou den prepei. Ara megaliteri asfaleia.<BR>d) einai(?) stathero leitourgiko.<P>Twra, se antithesi me ta parapanw:<BR>a) oi arxarioi users mborei na doulevoun 1 xrono se xwin, alla na min xeroun ti tha pei scripting, kai ti einai to /etc/passwd. To problima paramenei omws kai einai ekei. Ta panta sto linux ta kanoun scripts kai text configuration files. Apla oti ta xwin den se mathenoun pote giati "exeis pio efkolous tropous, mexri fisika na bretheis se kapoio pragmatiko problima opote psaxneis gia tilefona filwn stin agenta sou". Antitheta enas arxarios xristis pou dinei kontaromaxies me to shell se 3 ebdomades exei mathei sigoura na polema apodotika, kai se 2 mines max exei boutixei gia ta kala sta configuration files. Stous 3 mines, xalara bazei ta xwin -an pleon ta thelei akoma- gia na kanei tin douleia tou pio efkola. Kai to basikotero: exei epitelous katalavei *poia* einai afta ta pragmata pou mboreis na kaneis me to linux alla DEN mboreis na kaneis me ta ms-win.<BR> na min milisoume gia apaitiseis se mnimi kai epexergasti gia tis gnwstes dianomes..<BR>c) Sta xwin exeis apeires "typopoiimenes processes". Afto einai pou panikoballei, apotharinei tous arxarious enw taftoxrona "typopoiei" kai tis trypes asfaleias.<BR>d) se grafiko periballon an prospathiseis na kaneis o,ti kaneis sta win, stathero den einai... kollaei to rimadi opws kolane kai ta win. <BR>Telos pantwn gia na kleisw kai kapoia stigmi, synopsizw tin apopsi mou gia na min parexigithw:<BR>- Gia na exw asfaleia o genikos kanonas einai ->> bazw MONO osa apaitountai gia na kanw tin douleia mou kai osa mou xreiazontai gia na mborw na apokatastisw to syntomotero dynato to leitourgiko an kati paei strava <<- tipota parapanw tipota ligotero. Ara: "stinw ton server mou me grafiko periballon" ex orismou erxetai se antithesi me afti ti themeliwdi arxi mias kai einai profanes oti: to grafiko periballon den mou apaiteitai gia na kanw tin douleia mou kai to grafiko periballon se stigmes anagkis den mou prosferei apolytws tipota. (oxi emena proswpika, genika milaw). Einai apla "wasted RAM"<P>Ara: den yparxei kanena kako sto na exeis ton server sou na doulevei se grafiko periballon. Alla prin to stiseis, mathe na douleveis tin command line gia diko sou kalo.<BR>Tin imera pou to linux tha exei to "plug & play" kai tis efkolies pou exoun simera ta ms-windows, den tha exei nikisei tin maxi, alla stin pragmatikotita tha tin exei xasei. <BR>Den xerw ama katalavaineis ti thelw na pw.

[billdanos]

Safws kai katalava ti theleis na peis kai den diafwnw se tipota. Apla mhn xehnas oti oi perissoteroi pou dokimazoun to linux sto spiti to kanoun afou ehoun hdh ena leitourgiko ths microsoft sto pc tous. Opote to vazeis kai kata kairous to skalizeis otan eheis hrono (egw vasika etsi xekinhsa). Kai fysika to na mpw sto net mesa apo to linux den htan kai oute einai h prwth mou epilogh! Ehei hiliades alla pragmata pou prepei na deis prwta... <BR> Epishs shmera arhisame na sthnoume linux kai ston deytero server pou ehoume, opote ta panta tha trehoun me linux (kai oi users me NT4...)