POSOI akoune ELLHNIKO HIPHOP???/RAP

[-nick-]

Posoi kai ti ellhniko hiphop akoune..Ego TXC[akoma kai ta mh emporika(akykloforhta) tous einai gamata!!!]Akoma,kaloi oi ZN,FFC,Razastar kai tosa alla sykrothmata ths ellhniks hiphop skhnhs...mh mou peite gia amerikh kai DRDre kai EMINEM ,giati auto einai emporiko hiphop...Apo thn AMerikh,kalo einai to akykolforhto hiphop,tou dromou dhladh,to authentiko...OI mauroi ksekinisan to rap/hiphop pou moiazei arketa sto ellhniko tora,alla oi AMERICANOI [ektos apo anonymous hiphop-ades /rapers ki kapoies eksaireseis ] to exoun gamhsei!!!!<BR>p.s.Eidika ton Eminem den ton pao katholou <BR>

[zOnG]

Elliniko hip hop akouo ego.Akouo ap ola...ektos apo group tipou imiskoumpria kai goin through.Mou aresoun idiaitera oi TXC,ZN,AG kai Skies...Oson afora to kseno den akouo polla...gia na akouso prota ap ola tha prepei na katalabaino ti lene<BR>Ksereis kana site me mp3 me elliniko hip hop (ektos tou hiphop.gr)?

[Blackman]

File mou nick afou akous ellhniko hiphop kai den akous kseno mhn les oti sou katebenei sto kefali peri emporikothtas...<BR>o filos iSpO-FaCtO (kapws etsi) eixe aniksei ena topic peri low-bap opou mesa ekei basika apantane thn erwthsh pou kaneis twra...<P>Kai mhn les oti to hiphop pou kanoun oi mayroi MOIAZEI me to diko mas...<BR>oi dikoi mas antigrafoun tous amerikanous...kai gia apla paradeigmata trexa kai diabase sto topic pou sou anefera prin,opou kai egw kai o zOnG anaferoume tetoia paradeigmata.<BR>Auto to kako exoun merikoi pou den akoune kseno hiphop...milane xwris na kseroun.<BR>Mhpws file mou nick to sygkekrimeno eidos mousikhs to bgalame kai monoi mas?H mhpws esy eixes akousei ellhniko hiphop thn dekaetia tou 80?Tote fysika htan underground kai mono ligoi akougan.Esy gia pes mou pio tragoudi akouses prwta, pws to akouses kai meta na doume an milame gia emporikotia h oxi.<BR>Giati sigoura den epese sto xeria sou kamia kasetoula pou eixan grapsei kapoioi apo monoi tous kai apo antigrafh se antigrafh diadwthike stous fan tou hdous.Kai pes mou kai pio tragoudi eixe akousei prwta...na doume an ayto to tragoudaki yparxei se CD h se LP.<BR>Mhn akouw mpourdes peri emporikothtas kai malakies pali...ta eipame kai sto allo topic.<BR>Sorry gia to yfos mou...me ton iSpO kai ton zOnG den hmoun etsi dioti ekeinoi den htan apolytoi se ayta pou elegan, opws oute kai egw eimai apolytos....<BR>alla ayta pou grafeis peri ksenou hiphop kai peri emporikothtas einai blakeies...kai to hiphop pou kanoun oi perissoteroi ekei pera tou dromou einai kai ayto to katalabaineis apo ayta pou lene kai ton tropo pou milane.<BR>Oi dikoi mas edw fenete oti einai diabasmenoi sta sxoleia kai kseroun na douleyoun thn glwssa.Oi amerikanoi omws ta lene oma opws symbainoun...gia trexa na akouseis Tupac Shakur (sygxwremenos twra pia), Master P...akoma Dr.Dre,Mr. Marcelo,<BR>Cypress Hill kai allous pollous kai meta mila gia akykloforito hiphop kai poiothta tou dromou.<BR>Kai allh fora na anaferese panw se ayta pou ksereis (ellhniko hiphop) kai oxi se ayto pou den exeis idea (kseno hiphop).<BR>Giati opws kai na exei o Eminem einai xronia sto kourmpeti kai esy twra ton gnwrises giati apla twra apofasise autos mazi me thn boitheia tou Dr.Dre na kanei 1-2 emporikous diskous gia na bgalei tipota...prin 5 xronia akouges ESY Eminem?Eixes akousei pote prin?<BR>Na mhn milame gia emporikothta tote etsi?<P>Filika<BR>Blackman

[-nick-]

Eminem eixa akousei otan htan sta kala tou..alla auto pou thelo na po einai oti tora ta kainouria tou DEN LENE...Ddladh esena sou aresoun?>??O drDre pou diamarthretai epeidh sto Npaster yparxoun mp3 tou???<BR>Ase pou oi ELlhnes hiphopades bgazoun kai polla akykloforhta...[gama tous olous-TXC]..<BR>Oso gia thn antigrafh tou ksenou hiphop exeis dikio...Afou eksallou to paradexontai oti antigrafoun,prosthetontas kai dika tous stoixeia...<BR>Ellhniko hiphop tou '80 den exo akousei,apo 95 kai meta arxisa na akouo...<BR>Oute kai ego eimai apolytos..... <BR>OMOLOGO oti den ksero arketa oso esy sxetika me thn istoria tou ksenou hip-hop...<BR>alla auto den shmainei oti den mporo na exo apopsh... <BR>Bebaia, tha mou peis, sthn AERIKH yparxoun xiliades underground crews poly kalytera apo ta ellhnika[TXC/razastat/NEBMA/ZN(pote den mou aresankai alla]...alla ta underground amerikanika aksizoun kai poly parapano apo tou EMINEM......<BR>]nick[<BR>Perimeno opoiadhpote apopsh sou...mono se filikous tonous <BR>FILIKA,<BR>]nick[<P><BR>

[Blackman]

File mou na sou pw kapoia pragmata...<BR>to oti den sou aresoun esena ta kainourgia tou Eminem den paei na pei oti px to Stam den einai kalo tragoudi h to The Way I Am...<BR>h mhn mou peis oti den sou arese to The Real Slim Shaddy?<BR>Pantws opws kai na exei gousta einai ayta kai den tha sou pw egw ti tha akous.Ta palia tou Eminem kyklwforisan edw se periorismenes posothtes giati apla den htan emporikos.<BR>To otio Dr.Dre diamarthretai gia to Napster (pragma pou den to kserw) ti paei na pei?Prepei na shmainei kati?Ama htan tote na bgei kai na xarizei kai tous diskous tou ama htan na mhn ton noiazei h na balei ta mp3 sto site tou.Ta pragmata den einai etsi kai oi typoi einai epaggelmaties hiphopers.Ksereis ti paei na pei auto?Oti auto einai to epaggelma tous kai me auto zoun.Opote den yparxei logos na xarizoun mp3.Kathws ypothetw oti gnwrizeis oti to mp3 htan paranomo apo tote pou dhmiourgithike kai o logos ths dhmiourgias tou htan gia na boithisei kainourgia sygkrothmata gia na ginoun gnwsta sto eyrytero koino.Oso gia akykloforita ...oloi bgazoun...kai ayta ta tragoudia ta bazoun argotera se bonus tracks se metagenestera cds.Omws tous TXC px den tous symferei na baloun ena tragoudaki pou legete GAMA TOUS OLOUS...giati mazi me ayto prepei na baloun kai ena autokolhtaki (to gnwsto "explicit material")pou den epitrepete na pwlithei se atoma katw twn 18.Ayto shmainei oti tha exanan polla lefta giati polloi apo aytous pou tous akoune einai katw twn 18.Asxetos an brizoun sta tragoudia tous...sto CD omws den fenete tipota gia to periexomeno.To CD twn ZN omws exei ena tetoio aytokolhtaki pou gia emena shmainei polla...kai sigoura oti den exoun toso skopo na poulhsoun alla na ta xwsoun.<BR>Ayto pou lew isws na einai kai blakeia alla paramenei mia basimh skepsh.Kai oti les peri akykloforitwn gia phgaine psaksei sthn Amerikh na deis ti shmainei ekei akykloforito.Ekei ta akykloforita einai hxografhmena me kasetofwnaki mesa ston dromo kai oxi se studio.<BR>Egw den lew oti kserw gia to hiphop tipota.An diabaseis kai to antistoixo post,, lew oti pisteyw oti eimai ASXETOS peri hiphop...<BR>Pantws apopsh exoun oloi sxetikoi kai mh...<BR>kai epomenws kai esy exeis apopsh kai egw kai o kathenas...to thema einai na mhn einai kaneis apolytos se ayta pou leei, an den einai 100% sigouros oti ta pragmata einai etsi.<BR>Esy pantws mou anafereis sygkrothmata opws oi<BR>TXC/razastarr/NEBMA/ZN,dhladh me liga logia sygkrothmata pou einai apo ta pio emporika kai ta pio gnwsta.Den mou aneferes kanena underground sygkrothma hiphop kai synepws antiemporika.<BR>Na ksereis oti kalytera sygkrothmata kai hiphopers apo ton Eminem yparxoun, alla kai ayto pali thema goustou einai.<BR>Giati px egw pisteyw oti o kalyteros hiphoper pou ezhse pote einai o Tupac Shakur pou parolo to oti exei pethanei ta tragoudia tou akougontai akoma kai kykloforun synexeia oti akykloforito eixe (kai edw na deis akykloforito pragma na sou fygei to kafasi).<BR>Oloklhra CD me Unreleased HipHop tragoudia.<BR>Gia mena apo sygkrothmata oi kalyteroi einai oi Cypress Hill kai oi Wu Tang Clan...alla yparxoun kai polla alla eksisou kala.<P>Ayta apo emena...<P>Filika<BR>Blackman<BR>

[-nick-]

Sostos eisai file mou,kai pragmati,to RealSlimShady mou arese.....Alla,tora,ego pisteuo pos kai to oti oi TXC den exoun "explicit material" de shmainei tipota,afou kai autoi brizoun..Auto den paei na pei tipota..!!!Ksero pollaPOLLA paidia <18 pou exoun CD ton ZN,to autokollhto den empodizei se tipota..eite xoris eite me autokollhto,idies oi polhseis....<BR>Oloi tragoudoun gia xrhma,alla oxi MONO gia xrhma...P.x. oi Wu Tang pou aneferes,mou aresoun para poly,opos kai oi Cypress Hill...<BR>Kai oi TXC exoun skopo na ta xwsoun,to katalabaineis kai apo auta pou lene sta CD tous[p.x. H POLIS EALO]<BR>Filika,<BR>]nick[ <BR>

[Helm21]

Mia simiwsh sevaste Blackman.to oti iparxoun tragoudia enws sigrothmatos sto napster,APODIXTIKE oti oxi mono den miwnei tis poliseis tou group,alla to proothei kiolas.<P>H simperifora tou dre aplos xaraktirisetai "petty" gia na tou ta poume kai sthn glossa tou...

[-nick-]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Helm21:<BR><B>Mia simiwsh sevaste Blackman.to oti iparxoun tragoudia enws sigrothmatos sto napster,APODIXTIKE oti oxi mono den miwnei tis poliseis tou group,alla to proothei kiolas.<P>H simperifora tou dre aplos xaraktirisetai "petty" gia na tou ta poume kai sthn glossa tou...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>\<BR>Akribos!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>to idio isxyei kai gia Metalicca,pou rixnoun tis euthines sto Napster..oxi pos autoi ebgazan m@l@ki3S tragoudia ton teleutaio kairo... <P>

[zOnG]

To mp3 pote den krithike paranomo...pos einai dinaton na bgaloun paranomo mia kodikopoiisi ixou?Aplos to napster krithike paranomo.Oxi to mp3.<BR>Oso gia to kseno hip hop kai pio sigekrimena ton Eminem, exete akousei ti raparei?To atomo brizei katamoutra autous pou agorazoun to cd tou...signomi auto sas aresei?O monos logos pou tha akouga tragoudia tou eminem einai ta instramental ta opoia einai theika...

[-nick-]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zOnG:<BR><B>To mp3 pote den krithike paranomo...pos einai dinaton na bgaloun paranomo mia kodikopoiisi ixou?Aplos to napster krithike paranomo.Oxi to mp3.<BR>Oso gia to kseno hip hop kai pio sigekrimena ton Eminem, exete akousei ti raparei?To atomo brizei katamoutra autous pou agorazoun to cd tou...signomi auto sas aresei?O monos logos pou tha akouga tragoudia tou eminem einai ta instramental ta opoia einai theika...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sumfono mazi sou...genika, o eminem de leei..mono ta palia tou..tragoudia opos RealSlimshady,exoun poly kalh mousikh kai rythmo,alla apo stixous/raparisma <P>

[Blackman]

O Eminem kserw oti ta xwnei se osous pernoun ta CD tou...mhpws ayto tha peite oti einai emporiko????Edw sto MTV twn rwthsane "Ti exeis na peis stous fans sou se olo ton kosmo" kai ekeinos gyrise kai ekane tourla,ta katebase kai edikse ton kolo tou ston fako.<BR>oso gia to mp3...opws eipa bghke gia na proothithoun kainourgia sygkrothmata mesw tou net...omws polloi metetrepan se mp3 tragoudia apo diafora cd pou eixan...otan lew apagoreytike...oxi to format alla h diakinhsh tragoudiwn ta opoia exoun ta pneymatika dikaiwmata diakhnhshs tous oi dhmiourgoi tous.Ayth h diakinhsh apagoreytike...kai milame poly prin to napster, dioti den kserw ama kserete posa xronia einai ta mp3.Para polla...<BR>tote ta alloi ta anebazan se selides warez kai ta katebazes kai alloi ebgazan listes me ta mp3 tous kai sou antalazan 1 me 1.<P>Gia ton filo Helm...ayto pou ekane o Dre den lew oti einai swstos h lathos....apla ferthike me parapanw epaggelmatismo apo oti eprepe.Milame twra oti alla sygkrwtimata epathan megalh oikonomikh zhmia apo to napster kai den eipan kai koubenta.<BR>Den pernw to meros kanenos, giati apla opws oloi mas tha goustarw na pernw tragoudia pou thelw tsampe.<P>Ayta

[-nick-]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackman:<BR><B>O Eminem kserw oti ta xwnei se osous pernoun ta CD tou...mhpws ayto tha peite oti einai emporiko????Edw sto MTV twn rwthsane "Ti exeis na peis stous fans sou se olo ton kosmo" kai ekeinos gyrise kai ekane tourla,ta katebase kai edikse ton kolo tou ston fako.<BR>oso gia to mp3...opws eipa bghke gia na proothithoun kainourgia sygkrothmata mesw tou net...omws polloi metetrepan se mp3 tragoudia apo diafora cd pou eixan...otan lew apagoreytike...oxi to format alla h diakinhsh tragoudiwn ta opoia exoun ta pneymatika dikaiwmata diakhnhshs tous oi dhmiourgoi tous.Ayth h diakinhsh apagoreytike...kai milame poly prin to napster, dioti den kserw ama kserete posa xronia einai ta mp3.Para polla...<BR>tote ta alloi ta anebazan se selides warez kai ta katebazes kai alloi ebgazan listes me ta mp3 tous kai sou antalazan 1 me 1.<P>Gia ton filo Helm...ayto pou ekane o Dre den lew oti einai swstos h lathos....apla ferthike me parapanw epaggelmatismo apo oti eprepe.Milame twra oti alla sygkrwtimata epathan megalh oikonomikh zhmia apo to napster kai den eipan kai koubenta.<BR>Den pernw to meros kanenos, giati apla opws oloi mas tha goustarw na pernw tragoudia pou thelw tsampe.<P>Ayta</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>O eminem mporei na to ekan gia dhmosiothta an kai den einai san DrDre..Symfono sxeika me Napster...OI metallica omos,den epathan zhmia apo NAPSTER alla apo tis m@l#ki3S pou ebgazan <BR>

[Helm21]

Den einai mono themito,einai APETISH na se sevetai o kalhtexnhs ton opoion ipostirizeis.Kai mono giafto o Eminem apla DIAGRAFETAI apo ton katalogo twn "worthwhile" kalhtexnwn den pa na einai kai o mozart.Ti eimaste diladi?malakes?<P>Allo paradigma:Oi polu agapitoi mou active member,esteilan minima se mia paleoterh pop korn diorganosh oti "den theloun" to koino to opoio tous psifise,oti den apefthinontai se aftous,kai to oti den theloun na kerdisoun. Omws,o sostos kalhtexnhs,DEN dialegei to koino tou,to koino tou ton dialegei.Skepsou ena 13xrono pou akouse kapio tragoudi tous,kai tou arese,kai pire tihefono na ipostiriksei THN EPILOGH TOUS GOUSTOU TOU,kai pia h anitmetopish tou?Ton ftinei o kalhtexnhs pou o idios agapa.E,afto einai gaidouria.Pio logiko kai apodewxto tha itan,na arniontousan to vraveio(an nikousan,px) alla na EXFARISTOUSAN ton kosmo pou tous psifise,para afton o anohtos elitismos prws pasa katefthinsh den mas aresei. <P>Ti les Blackman?Nick?

[Blackman]

File mou Helm tha diafwnisw mazi sou...<BR>egw omws anefera ton Eminem ws antiemporiko kai oxi ws emporiko pou mou ton emfanise sthn arxh o nick...<P>to thema twn Active Member einai kati diaforetiko...kai ontos htan malakia...to thymamai otan eixe ginei kai ekneyristika giati skeftomoun kati pitsirikades pou tous blepoun san eidwla kai sthn synexeia na trwne xastouki apo ta idia tous ta eidwla.<BR>Entaksei ti na peis...<BR>opws eipes kai esy to koino dialegei ti na akousei kai oxi to sygkrwthma poioi tha tous akousoun...ama theloun na kinhthoun kai na apeythithoun se allh kathgoria tote na kanoun kati diaforetiko pou tha apotrepei olous tous ypoloipoys.<BR>Epishmenw gia mia akomh fora...egw ton Eminem ton anefera san antiemporiko kai den eipa an akshzei h oxi...o typos nai men exei kapoia poly kala komatia...alla to gamaei se kapoies faseis...px sto The Way I Am<BR>"...you say I'm asshole and I am..." gia na synexisei kai na ta xwsei se aytous pou akoune...parolo pou se genika plaisia sto tragoudi leei kapoia swsta pragmata kai genikos einai ena kalo tragoudaki.<P>ayta...

[Helm21]

To way i am exei mia apo tis pio eknevristikes loopes sthn storia tou rap.Nai,milaw gia tis kampanes.Telospantwn.<BR>O eminem einai ligoulaki kompleksikos omws.Den rapparei gia to pws plakwnei sto ksilo kapion o opoios exei estw kai thn elaxisth ikanothta na prostatefsei ton eafto tou.OOOOxi,ekei pou ton pernei mono.Gaybasting,womanhitting.Mpravw sto paidi.<BR>The world can find a better class of an idol than that.