pos einai dinaton na sigrinoume akoma tous athlon me tous pe

[Επισκέπτης]

edo kai 8 xronia pou asxoloume me t apc exo alaksi arketes fores apo intel se amd se cyrix kai anapoda... AYTH ti stigmi opos kai na to kanoume korifei pisteyo oti einai o athlon. Den mporo na agnoeiso to oti exoume diafores ton 3wn kai 4wn 100dadon MHz kai omos paraplisies epidoseis...<BR>akoma ilikrina nomizo oti o P4 einai enas katapliktikos epeksergasteis alla me megales diafores sti sxediasi pou akoma den mporoun na ekmetaleytoun krivontas etsi to pragmatiko dinamiko toy. ti na kanoume omos pou "xreiazomaste" twra tin isxei kai oxi otan tha vroume ta katallila progz. oloi kserete oti to ayrio einai kati poli ligotero apo aveveo.<BR>pantos min arxisoume ta oxi ego oxi esi pali... ok?

[yositosi]

Reeeeeee sovareutite pia!!!! Episis min petate mpourdes pou sas lene diaforoi poromenei!!! Episis min stirizeste sta reviews tou Cnet (sxedon anikei stin Intel). Pantws na ksedialinoume kapoia pragmata gia na min to kanoume kai kafeteria opws merikoi prospathoun!! Prwton: sta sigritika fainetai ksekathara oti o XP 1900+ pataei ton P4 2Ghz se ola ta office applications (kai oxi sta games file mou - se antithesi me ta osa legate paliotera peri tis AMD kai tou oti itan i epilogi twn "xazogamers"). Episis, kante ton kopo na diastaurwsete ta osa lete peri provlimatwn, kai ama den kserete akouste oti ta defect rates tis intel persi itan tromaktika ipsila!!! Telos otan milame gia provlimata poiotitas kai simvatotitas twn Athlon na min aerologoume. Egw eimai diatethimenos na akousw kathe apopsi efoson einai tekmiriwmeni, pantws mexri twra den mou exete parathaisi OUTE ENA sigekrimeno kai apodedeigmeno provlima twn Athlon, kathws episis POTE mou eipate me ti den einai simvatos. Otan den exoume ti na poume kalitera na siwpoume kai oxi na eksfendonizoume mpourdes pou an mi ti allo mas afinoun ektethimenous!

[TonyMontana]

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[Vasilius]

* I N T E L - F O R E V E R *<BR>UAHHHHHHHHHH! <BR>-------------------------------------<BR>If You Don't Taste It,Don't Waste It!

[Paladin-}LoA{-]

As grapso kai ego gnomi epi tou thematos...Loipon!I alithia einai oti i AMD me tous Thunderbird, mesa sto kalokairi tou 2001 kai sto fthinoporo pou exoume tora...exase ti maxi apo tin Intel.Oso na nai..aneksartita an o Athlon exei fovero FPU kai sigoura ta operations tou ana MHz einai poly megalitera apo ayta tou P4, isterei se entoles(3DNow! enantion SSE kai SSE2) kai se MHz(1400MHz enantion 2000MHz).Ola ayta eixan odigisei se mia kiriarxia tis Intel tous teleytaious 4 mines peripou.An sigriname Athlon Thunderbird 1400 me Pentium 4 2000 sigoura tha vlepame oti sto 75% ton benchmarks o P4 iperisxie!Ayta ta 25% ton benchmarks pou iperisxye o AThlon itan kirios Office Benchmarks, FPU benchmarks kai kapoia 3D games opos to Unreal Tournament!Episis yperterouse se DirectX7 benchmarks.Fisika o P4 2000 einai panakrivos, afou erxetai me RAMBUS mnimi kai oxi me DDR.Mporei na parei SDRAM alla einai poli pio argos etsi.Episis prosexos tha vgoun kai boards gia P4 me DDR(Sis645 me DDR333), alla gia tin ora i moni lisi gia P4 einai me RAMBUS gia na poume oti tha exoume kali apodosi.Krinontas loipon ta lefta pou dinoume me to ti pernoume, o AMD Thunderbird simferei apo pleyras oti exei poli kali apodosi me poly liga lefta!Episis mporoume aneta na tou kseklidosoume to multiplier kai na ton pame toulaxiston sta 1533MHz me ena mikro anevasma tou Voltage!Apo pleyras loipon apodosis exoume kathara proto ton P4 2000. Apo pleyras apodosis gia ta lefta pou dinoume omos kathara protos erxetai o Athlon Thunderbird 1400MHz...<BR>Ola ta parapano isxyan mexri prin liges vdomades, pou i AMD kikloforise tous Athlon 4(Athlon XP).Ta montela ayta( Athlon XP 1500+ 1333MHz, 1600+ 1400MHz, 1700+ 1467MHz, 1800+ 1533MHz, 1900+ 1600MHz) ousiastika irthan na amfisvitisoun akoma mia fora tin kiriarxia tis Intel stin apodosi, afou opos eipa prin ston tomea apodosi\timi i AMD kala kratouse akoma kai me tous Thunderbird! An koitaksoume Benchmarks P4 2000 vs Athlon XP 1900+ paratiroume oti ena 70% ton benchmarks to kerdizei o Athlon XP 1900+!Oi entoles SSE pou ensomatose i AMD, to Quantispeed pou epitrepei ston epeksergasti na kanei 9 cycles ana MHZ eno o P4 kanei 6(ligoteres apo enan P3!!!), oi nees entoles 3DNow! Pro,alla sigoura kai ta 200MHz parapano apo ayta tou Thunderbird 1400MHz, eferan tin AMD pali stin korifi!Kai malista me poly ligotera lefta!Epipleon oi neoi AthlonXP exoun thermiki prostasia(epitelous...) pragma pou ligosteyei ta atiximata typou..den ekatse kala to cooler...Ekana overclock kai to cooler den itan eparkes...klp klp!Epipleon anakalifthike kai tropos kseklidomatos tou multiplier tous(oxi toso apla opos me to molyvaki kai ton thunderbird alla kai pali ta L1 gefironoume apla theloume kolla kai idiko metalliko iliko) pragma pou tous kanei overclockable!Idi sto web anaferontai sistimata 1800+ 1533MHz pou me voltage sta 1,85 trexoun akoma kai 1800MHz(diladi oso o Athlon XP 2200+ pou den exei kikloforisei akoma!).Einai ksekatharo oti ousistika o monos xoros ston opoio kiriarxei afti ti stigmi o P4 einai ta programmata pou xrisimopoioun SSE2(Lightwave 3D 7 gia paradeigma). Epomenos...Gia kapoion pou thelei na parei PC tora...I lisi einai mia kai legetai AMD Athlon XP!Se poly eksezitimenes periptoseis o xristis prepei na parei P4(To lightwave einai mia apo aytes...).<BR>Ayta gia to paron...Tora gia to mellon...Kserontas oti i Intel tha kikloforisei opou na nai tous neous P4 pou einai diorthomenoi sigoura tha ksanadoume tin maxi na anavei!Gia tin ora pantos i AMD mporei na apolamvanei tin proti thesi..kai se apodosi..kai se apodosi/timi!

[TonyMontana]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paladin-}LoA{-:<BR><STRONG>As grapso kai ego gnomi epi tou thematos...Loipon!I alithia einai oti i AMD me tous Thunderbird, mesa sto kalokairi tou 2001 kai sto fthinoporo pou exoume tora...exase ti maxi apo tin Intel.Oso na nai..aneksartita an o Athlon exei fovero FPU kai sigoura ta operations tou ana MHz einai poly megalitera apo ayta tou P4, isterei se entoles(3DNow! enantion SSE kai SSE2) kai se MHz(1400MHz enantion 2000MHz).Ola ayta eixan odigisei se mia kiriarxia tis Intel tous teleytaious 4 mines peripou.An sigriname Athlon Thunderbird 1400 me Pentium 4 2000 sigoura tha vlepame oti sto 75% ton benchmarks o P4 iperisxie!Ayta ta 25% ton benchmarks pou iperisxye o AThlon itan kirios Office Benchmarks, FPU benchmarks kai kapoia 3D games opos to Unreal Tournament!Episis yperterouse se DirectX7 benchmarks.Fisika o P4 2000 einai panakrivos, afou erxetai me RAMBUS mnimi kai oxi me DDR.Mporei na parei SDRAM alla einai poli pio argos etsi.Episis prosexos tha vgoun kai boards gia P4 me DDR(Sis645 me DDR333), alla gia tin ora i moni lisi gia P4 einai me RAMBUS gia na poume oti tha exoume kali apodosi.Krinontas loipon ta lefta pou dinoume me to ti pernoume, o AMD Thunderbird simferei apo pleyras oti exei poli kali apodosi me poly liga lefta!Episis mporoume aneta na tou kseklidosoume to multiplier kai na ton pame toulaxiston sta 1533MHz me ena mikro anevasma tou Voltage!Apo pleyras loipon apodosis exoume kathara proto ton P4 2000. Apo pleyras apodosis gia ta lefta pou dinoume omos kathara protos erxetai o Athlon Thunderbird 1400MHz...<BR>Ola ta parapano isxyan mexri prin liges vdomades, pou i AMD kikloforise tous Athlon 4(Athlon XP).Ta montela ayta( Athlon XP 1500+ 1333MHz, 1600+ 1400MHz, 1700+ 1467MHz, 1800+ 1533MHz, 1900+ 1600MHz) ousiastika irthan na amfisvitisoun akoma mia fora tin kiriarxia tis Intel stin apodosi, afou opos eipa prin ston tomea apodosi\timi i AMD kala kratouse akoma kai me tous Thunderbird! An koitaksoume Benchmarks P4 2000 vs Athlon XP 1900+ paratiroume oti ena 70% ton benchmarks to kerdizei o Athlon XP 1900+!Oi entoles SSE pou ensomatose i AMD, to Quantispeed pou epitrepei ston epeksergasti na kanei 9 cycles ana MHZ eno o P4 kanei 6(ligoteres apo enan P3!!!), oi nees entoles 3DNow! Pro,alla sigoura kai ta 200MHz parapano apo ayta tou Thunderbird 1400MHz, eferan tin AMD pali stin korifi!Kai malista me poly ligotera lefta!Epipleon oi neoi AthlonXP exoun thermiki prostasia(epitelous...) pragma pou ligosteyei ta atiximata typou..den ekatse kala to cooler...Ekana overclock kai to cooler den itan eparkes...klp klp!Epipleon anakalifthike kai tropos kseklidomatos tou multiplier tous(oxi toso apla opos me to molyvaki kai ton thunderbird alla kai pali ta L1 gefironoume apla theloume kolla kai idiko metalliko iliko) pragma pou tous kanei overclockable!Idi sto web anaferontai sistimata 1800+ 1533MHz pou me voltage sta 1,85 trexoun akoma kai 1800MHz(diladi oso o Athlon XP 2200+ pou den exei kikloforisei akoma!).Einai ksekatharo oti ousistika o monos xoros ston opoio kiriarxei afti ti stigmi o P4 einai ta programmata pou xrisimopoioun SSE2(Lightwave 3D 7 gia paradeigma). Epomenos...Gia kapoion pou thelei na parei PC tora...I lisi einai mia kai legetai AMD Athlon XP!Se poly eksezitimenes periptoseis o xristis prepei na parei P4(To lightwave einai mia apo aytes...).<BR>Ayta gia to paron...Tora gia to mellon...Kserontas oti i Intel tha kikloforisei opou na nai tous neous P4 pou einai diorthomenoi sigoura tha ksanadoume tin maxi na anavei!Gia tin ora pantos i AMD mporei na apolamvanei tin proti thesi..kai se apodosi..kai se apodosi/timi!</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>amen

[Paladin-}LoA{-]

A!Sas kourazo vevea alla as grapso kati kai gia thema aksipopistias...Peri AMD kai Intel!Loipon!<BR>Thema asimvatotitas AMD den iparxei kai pisteyo oti einai ksekatharo ayto se olous!Ayta pou akougontai peri asimvatotitas me software i hardware einai paramythia pou kikloforoun diaforoi polites.Einai fovera spanio na sinantisei kapoios tetoio fainomeno, kai akoma kai na sinantisei tha einai hardware kai kata pasa pithanotita apo diko tou lathos(lathos mnimi, klp).Gi ayto ta boards lene ksekathara me ti einai simvata!Episis thema peri thermokrasias ton Athlon den iparxei.Iparxei sigoura thema anasfaleias afou se periptosi pou xalasei to anemistiraki i den mpei kala, o epeksergastis den exei kapoia asfaleia kai kegetai(ekseresi apoteloun oi AthlonXP pou exoun prostasia, opos kai oi 2 teleytaioi Duron 1 kai 1,1GHz).Afto einai kai to monadiko meionektima enos Athlon.Me to sosto anemistiraki fisika ola apofevgontai.<P>As pame tora sto gnostotato slogan pou ipostirizetai kai apo pollous edo mesa...INTEL= EGGYISI<P>Pros Theou re paidia!Pos ginetai na leme oti i Intel einai eggiisi otan mesa sta teleytaia 3-4 xronia exoun simvei ta eksis:<P>1)Paragogi kai diathesi stin agora ton P3 1,13GHz prin apo konta 2 xronia.Mesa se ena mina i Intel tous apesire olous me apozimiosi afou ksafnika anakalypse oti itan ellatomatikoi(Den mporousan na kanoun compile ena kernel linux!!!!).<P>2)1997 teli...Paragogi kai diathesi tou Intel 440BX, enos chipset pou tote itan gia P2 kai Celeron, eno argotera kai me BIOS upgrade eperne kai P3. Posa chipset alithia meta apo ayto kikloforise i Intel gia P2,P3 kai Celeron pou i apodosi tous itan poly mikroteri apo ayti tou 440BX!gia sxedon 3 xronia i Intel evgaze chipset diadoxous tou 440BX pou itan katoteroi se apodosi!Poia etairia alithia adinatei epi 3 xronia na kseperasei tin idia tis tin texnologia...)<P>3)Oi protoi P4 pou kikloforisas sta 1,4 kai 1,5GHz...Ta prota montela 1,5 GHz ta opoia diatethikan mono stin Hewlett Packard, vgikan axrista kai ta apesire ola i Intel me apozimiosi(peripou 5.000 CPU's)!!!<P>4)I arxitektoniki tou P4 einai xeiroteri apo ayti tou Pentium 3 afou o P4 kanei ligotera operations ana MHz kai exei xeirotero FPU!Ayto pou ton krataei ousiastika einai oi SSE2 entoles kai ta MHz tou!I anoterotita kataskeyis kai arxitektonikis tou P3 apodeiknietai trana me ton neo P3 Tualatin sta 1,13Ghz pou se apodosi ksepernaei ton P4 1400 MHz!<P>5)Apo tin mia exoume tin AMD pou dinei ousiastika ti dinatotita stous xristes Boards me chipset KT133A kai metagenestero na valoun Athlon XP, eno apo tin alli exoume tin Intel pou gia tous P4 mono exei vgalei 2 diaforetika sockets(423, 478) ta opoia einai asimvata metaksy tous kai ousiastika apagoreyei stous protous agorastes boards gia P4 me socket 423 na valoun P4 parapano 2,2GHz afou to socket den einai sxediasmeno gia kati tetoio.I AMD emmenei stathera sto SocketA!<P>As afisoume loipon ta INTEL = Egiisi giati kati tetoio einai sigouro oti den isxyei...Alithia i Intel pos tha antimetopisei tin 8i genia epeksergaston tis AMD pou tha einai simvati kai me 32bit kai me 64bit applications kai tha exei kai SSE2....Eno oi dikoi tis 8th generation tha einai simvatoi mono me 64bit efargmoges...

[unforgiven]

Συμφωνώ με αυτά που ειπώθηκαν τελευταία, με λίγες μόνο παρατηρήσεις:<BR>-Όταν κυκλοφόρησε ο Athlon 1.4 δεν υπήρχε Ρ4/2 Ghz. Είναι λίγο άδικο να συγκρίνουμε cpu που απέχουν χρονολογικά μεταξύ τους. Μόλις βγήκε ο Ρ4/2, ακολούθησαν οι ΧΡ.<BR>-Το Lightwave δεν τρέχει καλύτερα με P4. Όπου υπάρχει render, οι AMD πετάνε και οι Intel κάνουν τους αδιάφορους.<BR>-Μόλις είδα ότι ο Athlon 1.4 κάνει όσο ο... PIII/866! Η Intel ακόμα μας δουλεύει!<P>Τέλος χαίρομαι την AMD γιατί χωρίς αυτή η Intel θα έκανε ό,τι στο παρελθόν: Μηδαμινές αυξήσεις στην ταχύτητα και οι νέες CPU θα έκαναν 1000$+...<P>Όπως και να' χει το πράγμα, δεν είμαι οπαδός κανενός, παρά μόνο του συμφεροντός μου! Μακάρι αύριο η Intel ή η AMD ή η Cyrix ή όποιος θέλει, να βγάλει νέους επεξεργαστές που θα ταράξουν τα νερά...

[Paladin-}LoA{-]

Simfonos se ola ektos apo to lightwave3d! )<BR>Einai alithia oti logo FPU oi Athlon einai korifeoi se rendering alla idika sto Lightwave kai mono stin teleytaia tou ekdosi(7b) O P4 yperisxyei afou to programma exei ginei SSE2 optimized! Sigritiko iparxei stin selida: <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.tomshardware.com/</A> <BR>Par ola ayta fisika se ola ta alla 3D Rendering programmata paramenei proti i AMD!Kai malista me tous Athlon XP pire kai tin kiriarxia sto Flaskmpeg, pou me tous P4 eixe xasei tin maxi!Makari ontos na sovarepsei i Intel kai na allaksei ideologia.Isos tote na sevastei perissotero kai tous agorastes tis! )

[yositosi]

Loipon mages simfwne se ola ektos apo to thema tou temperature monitoring!!! Stin periptwsi mou to mobo einai efodiasmeno me temperature monitoring. Praktika, epidi exthes mou tin varese anoiksa to case kai evgala to Fan tou cpu kai sto bios energopoiisa to temperature reading kai warning mode stous 75C (DEN EXW XP alla enan Tbird). Anapsa to pc mou kai energopoiisa to PCAlert software tis MSI kai perimena.... se Idle operation den ksepernousa tous 63C XWRIS cpu fan. Evala to MAx Payne kai otan pleon eftase to CPU stous 75C to sistima esvise mono tou!! Opote den simainei oti o Tbird mporei na kaei toso eukola an iparxei to katallilo motherboard!

[pyro]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tasos:<BR><STRONG>Αυτο που λεει ο pyro για τα αμερικανικα προιοντα και το λογισμικο εχει σαφως υποβαθρο.<BR>Ακουσατε τα νεα που κυκλοφορησαν για τα XP ;<BR>"Big Brother inside".<BR>Αν εξελιχτει το λογισμικο υποστηριξης για το linux εμενα δε με χαλαει να δινω και μερικα ευρω για λογισμικο linux (προσεξατε τι ειπα : Ευρω κι οχι δολλαρια)</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>maresei, Eurw, kai 0a uparxei kai to Ellhniko (Ευρω) σε ολλα τα χαρτονομισματα, σε ολη την Ευρωπη!<BR>χεχεεχ, αλλα ρε με βαλατε σε πειρασμο τωρα και θελω ΧΡ ( τον επεξεργαστη οχι τα "παραθυρα").....<p>[ 13-11-2001: Message edited by: pyro ]